Gog and Magog Ezekiel and Revelation The difference

[ScottT]

Gog and Magog, Ezekiel and Revelation - The difference

Some think that the Gog and Magog war of
Ezekiel 38 is the same as the one of Revelation 20.
When we look at the details of each event, we find
that they are in fact two separate events.

The Gog and Magog war that Ezekiel tells us about
precedes the Millennium kingdom while the Gog and
Magog war that John tells us about in Revelation
precedes the New Heaven and New Earth.

Ezekiel tells us that the war is followed by
a seven month cleansing of the land in which
the dead are found and buried in the valley
that is east of the sea. In the following
chapters the Temple is built and a river
flows out from it going eastward and healing
the dead sea.

Ezekiel 38: KJV
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of
Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and
prophesy against him,

Ezekiel 39: KJV
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will
give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the
valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and
it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there
shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they
shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying
of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and
it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be
glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers
those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse
it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when
any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by
it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of
Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus
shall they cleanse the land.

Zechariah tells us that the city is taken, the houses
are pillaged, the women are raped, and half the people
are carried out captives. Then the Lord comes.

Zechariah describes it this way:
Zechariah 14: KJV
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy
spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem
to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the
houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half
of the city shall go forth into captivity, and
the residue of the people shall not be cut off
from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against
those nations, as when he fought in the day of
battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the
mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on
the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave
in the midst thereof toward the east and toward
the west, and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward
the north, and half of it toward the south.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come
not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague,
wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that
come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

John tells us that the Gog and Magog war precedes the
great white throne judgement and the new heaven and
new earth.

Revelation 20: KJV
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which
are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and
Magog, to gather them together to battle: the
number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth,
and compassed the camp of the saints about,
and the beloved city: and fire came down from
God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into
the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast
and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented
day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat
upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven
fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Gog and Magog war of Ezekiel is more detailed and
more descriptive. It is more reflective of the battle
of Armageddon than the Gog and Magog war of Revelation.

In the Ezekiel and Zechariah war descriptions, Israel
actually loses the war, while in the Revelation Gog
and Magog war, there is but one strike. That of God
sending fire down from heaven and devouring them.

In Revelation the Gog and Magog armies surround Jerusalem
and the saints. They however are not permitted to conduct
a battle plan, they are not permitted to enter into the city,
they are not permitted to carry anyone into captivity.

You need to understand what is significant about the taking
of a city. When an army takes a city, the defending army has
lost that battle. If the city is the Capital, in most cases,
the war is lost.

Daniel 7: KJV
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the
kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even
for ever and ever.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with
the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came , and judgment
was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed
the kingdom.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness
of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be
given to the people of the saints of the most
High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Revelation 13: KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with
the saints, and to overcome them: and power
was given him over all kindreds, and tongues,
and nations.

After Christ comes and sits upon His throne, His kingdom
can have no end. It continues for ever. Daniel emphasizes
this saying; "even for ever and ever".

The one engaging in this last and final battle, this war
that completely ends all wars is God the Father Himself.
Gog and Magog are not able to fire a single shot.

Immediately after the Gog and Magog war in Revelation comes
the Great White Throne Judgment. There is no time for burying
the dead as in the Ezekiel Gog and Magog war.


Scott A. Tovey

[dgbygrace]

I certainly agree with all you have said, and thank you for the presentation...

From what you posted particularly Daniel 7, 21, 22, & 27....sounds to me like the continuation and finale to one war.  Yes two different events but a continuation of the same one?

Question, do you believe the first part has begun?

[ScottT]

Yes.

Back in 2006 or thereabouts, the president of Iran stated that they would destroy Israel and used the same phrasing that is in Ezekiel used. It's not a long stretch to associate the two and figure the events of the last ten years is leading up to the Gog and Magog war in Ezekiel 38.

Scott

[cizz]

I'm going have to re-read about Gog and Magog..

Truthfully I have not tried to tie events in the bible to the outer workings of this world like wars in a very long time, I usually look within the spiritual for these happens, like revelations will be a personal revealing before a outer world revelation..I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone? Like the new Jerusalem, when I read that my mind automatically says "the new teaching of peace"...so I don't actually view it as a physical place more of a live unseen thing..I know! I'm backwards! but like the Jerusalem (teaching of peace) that we have now, does it accomplish actual peace? how many different ruling "teachings of peace" are there? then I get glimpse of what we have in the world on those lines of "teaching peace" especially doing it in God's name, all wars seem to be based on different beliefs in what God wants and expects...do we do the same things over and over in this?  what would be a 'new' teaching of peace that we have never done before? Everybody is so against a one world rule, but yet most are asking and expecting God to do just that...Return and put rule under one..??? How do you tell the difference in what people don't want and what they are wanting? How would God do His one world government different? What if we are already under that one world government and just don't realize it? wars in heaven just as much as on earth?  What is the new Jerusalem and what will it do? Will there be complete peace for all when it gets here? or will there still be wars and fights to get that established?   

[ScottT]

I'm going have to re-read about Gog and Magog..

How would God do His one world government different? What if we are already under that one world government and just don't realize it? wars in heaven just as much as on earth?  What is the new Jerusalem and what will it do? Will there be complete peace for all when it gets here? or will there still be wars and fights to get that established?   

One of the problems that keeps people in the dark is the notion that everything
in the bible is a metaphor and subject to interpretation.

There are those that teach that the millennium has already come and gone despite the fact that many prophesies in regard to the millennium have not been fulfilled. Ezekiel tells us that after Messiah comes and builds the temple, a river will flow out from the east of it and down to the dead sea. When the waters of the river touch the dead sea, the sea will be healed. Fish will be in abundance and there will be a fishing industry on the sea. Little things like these events are not metaphors. They are actually very real physical earthly happening events.

There is also a teaching that the trees of life spoken of in Revelation are not literally the tree of life but is instead a metaphor that refers to Christ. These trees of life are also mentioned in Ezekiel.

The belief that everything in the Bible is a metaphor shows a lack of faith. It is in fact calling the author a liar and by extension, calling God a liar.

We can learn lessons of life from the lives of those who are recorded in the Bible. We can even discern spiritual metaphors from those lives. However, that does not produce a general rule that everything is a metaphor.

Those things that are metaphors are metaphors. For example:
  Many of the parables that Jesus used are metaphors used for the purpose of teaching a truth.
  Many of the prophesies in the old testament such as Daniel talk of beasts, seas and other odd things. These are clearly metaphors referring to something in the natural. Many of the beasts in Daniel and Revelation for example, relate to the actual animal that a nation used or uses as it's emblem.

Unfortunately, some people think that just because metaphors are found in the Bible, everything that is written in it is a metaphor when the majority of the Bible is a historical record of God dealing with His fallen creation He called man.

Scott A. Tovey

[dgbygrace]

Yes.

Back in 2006 or thereabouts, the president of Iran stated that they would destroy Israel and used the same phrasing that is in Ezekiel used. It's not a long stretch to associate the two and figure the events of the last ten years is leading up to the Gog and Magog war in Ezekiel 38.

Scott

I read today in the news about this very subject.  Israel pulled out of a scheduled exercise with us for this spring.  Many possible reasons discussed, including a strike on Iran....

I don't see how they can avoid that!   And believe they were probably behind the virus that hit their computer systems eariler, and I think that was brilliant!